Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. The girls sleep in because they had been up late. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Ronald Logan was never named a suspect, despite the warrant. The murdered girls, who attended Delphi Community Middle School where they played saxophone and volleyball together, had visited the bridge before the day they died. The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. Can anyone who has seen these photos post whether or not they shed some light on: Why he says they werent found 50 feet from the water. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. While we see a giant plush bear, thats too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. Im sure that was a LOL feeling for him. If you have heard about this case and wish to discuss it, feel free. Where is the balance? I appreciate your style about not being afraid to put out things others wouldnt dare & or might even get accosted over doing soThose idiots are WEAK& most of them are hypocritesSome of the new YouTubers even, they first bitch about the same thing, then they start a channel, and the next thing you know, their moderators are hacking/choking& putting that ass in the corner for hours before allowing u to crawl back in, all bruised, & compliantNot for me. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. I do not believe the girls were reported missing and the FBI was immediately called in. But no arrests have ever been made with several promising leads or theories arising over the years, only to go cold. 242? I find it interesting that you stated he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman so that audio must have been on one of the girls cell phones? I seem like the nicest guy youve met. If this main POI isnt the bridge guy, he is definitely, without a doubt in my mind, involved in the murders of Abby and Libby in some form or fashion. Well, guess what? Is that also speculation? As far as the serial killer theory goes, I believe there's a good chance BG is already a serial killer or someone who will one day be a serial killer. 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. Young girls menstrual cycles can be so messed up until possibly a few years later. This person was going to share the pictures regardless, they just wanted to be asked first to make themselves feel better is my guess. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. I have an official case document here in my hand. LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. Allen was taken into custody and booked into the Carroll County Jail in connection with the horrific crime. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? Libby also shared a snap of herself walking along the same railroad tracks on the day of her murder, with the Snapchat updates causing a sensation that made the case one of the United States' most notorious unsolved murders. Delphi Murders: 5 Years Later, Victim's Sister Clinging to Hope That This source close to the retired detective will be referred to as an LE source close to the investigation. . Also, you develop better sources. It's crazy some of the stuff people will make up for attention. Kline is said to have arranged to meet with Libby on the Delphi High Bridge the day before she was murdered while walking along it. They said, Hes just a decoy. But we dont know what that means. Is Mr X part of any of the local groups working on promoting the trail system? He raped women, not young teenage girls. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. Exactly how the girls died remains unknown to the public, and the state their bodies were discovered in also remains shrouded in mystery. Dime a dozen. Delphi Murders Transcripts: Suspect Said He Knew Libby German Was at But no, that was not the case. I saw the local Delphi News footage from the week of the murders where they interview Ron Logan while they are actually searching his property. 2-13 again. Also theres only one way for LE to know that BG filmed his crime if the rumors about sending video of the crime to the girls phones afterwards is true. Apparently. New details of Delphi Bridge Murders reveal victims died in bloodbath "We will get answers. A chilling picture shows the daughter of the man arrested in connection to the Delphi bridge murders posing in the same spot where the teenage victims were last seen alive. There's a lot going on here for me to try to figure out. Dont listen to those idiots on Reddit! Clown. Not long afterwards, the pink stripe was removed from the truck, witnesses say. Ron Logan: Enough already. Another user is talking about them also. Particularly this statement. See? All of the speculation about their final moments is unconfirmed. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldnt have gotten wet. The killer in the unsolved Delphi murders is believed to have moved and staged the victims bodies and taken a souvenir from their 2017 slayings, according to newly-surfaced police documents. They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. Via LE Source A, LE has a main suspect in the Delphi Murders, Mr. X, and the case is focused on him. Robert, I am wondering why no reply to my question? And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. Almost zero. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. , updated Not sure if thats what this is about, but if so, Im not sold. Dads not talking. Knives were also found at Allen's home, according to the affidavit. It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? Williams was a little quieter but open with her friends and hoping to go into . Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. This seems to be one of the motives for the homicide. It is unclear whether they were referring to Allen or not. He got turned in because two brothers for some reason were saying that he was BG. Why say you have crime scene photos if you're not intending to share them? There is evidence that may have worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport in 2011-2012. Not so much for 15 year old girls. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. They dont have enough on the main suspect him to take him to trial, but they enough to think did it. Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. He is happy to do so. Corn fields? Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. BG was very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face. Hence, none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. Kelsi German has been cleared. And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this. He has reportedly filed a plea of not guilty and is being held without bond. Been following your blog from the start, and this is so close to what I have been feeling for a while now. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. He does not work there at the moment. 11) I see his home. Thing is, we cant figure out if it is a crumpled piece of paper, dried leaves, a stuffed toy, or a doll. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! It's a strange case. It is high time this comes to fruition. I strongly believe them to be fake. The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. He thinks it is Garrett Kirts. The "Nearly Decapitated" rumors : r/DelphiMurders. Thank u. We believe he could have been staging that elaborate crime scene during that time. How do I do this? It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? I am featuring a world renowned psychic detective through an interview Ill be conducting tomorrow. He's charged with two counts of murder and has entered a not guilty plea. ? thats tough luck usually)I agree with him that it was probably Logan that gave the cops details on Kirts to get out of the clink The cops say the killer made a mistakeI bet it was probably something left behind in one of Logans barns or shacks. I dont know what these names mean. But it's just speculation at this point, because nothing has been confirmed. They think he did it, but as far as real, good, hard evidence that will stand up in court, theres not a lot there. It was dark. However, he was one of the searchers who found the bodies, and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening. Hey I wanted to see what you think on Kirts now with the time thats passed, and lot more evidence published out there (mainly the Open Secrets YouTube channel interviews with Kirts & CM)..& Ed Bounds YouTube channel Crime PursuitBoth have incredible detail with Kirts himself seriously all but admitting to being the Delphi suspect. There is also no indication as to who took the snap on the Monon High Bridge Trail. According to Garrett, it's unlikely Allen would be bloody if a gun was the only murder weapon, unless Allen handled the bodies in some manner. Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. By Police found the girls lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. Literally anyone can be a journalist. Investigators believe the man is the killer. The case for Mr. X is as solid as ever. If so, why? There are cases like this all over the country. 2) There was a shot that was deliberately fired into the creek in an attempt to scare Libby, whom was attempting to evade Mr. This whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn. We would say it is low. Im not sure if pregnancy can be confirmed via autopsy before 6 weeks. The voice was a good match, the clothes looked familiar, and the walk was dead on. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. There are fields behind his home! Important facts released by family. Dont pay any attention to that.. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls guardians. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. Garrett said he's solved homicide cases that way, because typically a perpetrator buys a gun legally near his or her home, he said. The 2017 murder of Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. This KAK guy simply got messed up in sending sexual videos to underage teenage girls and collecting the same from them. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. Xs wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. FBI agent believed bodies 'staged' in Delphi murders | wthr.com Delphi murder investigators focus on social media profile Watch on Who is the creator behind anthony_shots' fake profile? He hunted deer on RLs land all the time. 13, 2017. Thats technically true but in all my years of playing the part of a PIO and putting out press releases, Ive never intentionally told a lie. I think what you meant to say is that the Supreme Court ruled that if the police lie to a suspect during an interrogation, his eventual admission of guilt can be considered by the jury. Im not stupid. He uses all kinds of weird aliases. He passed away in 2020. They wanted the crime scene to appear like something it wasn't, which could hypothetically include posing the bodies. The documents state that the wound to one of the girls was so brutal that the blood splatter would have been dramatic, drenching the killers clothes in blood. You are apparently a better sleuth than I am. Killer Likely 'Moved and Staged' Delphi Murder Victims - Law & Crime The arrest of Allen could be the end of a years-long investigation during which numerous possible leads have led nowhere, and police have remained tight-lipped about details of the case. They are black and white and do mention some aspects of how they died. Today we will Discuss about Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed. Ill leave it up to you to believe what you want to believe. Children: Two daughters, one ~22, another ~30. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Busy location with a diner nearby. These are simply unverified rumors. Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. Of course, there are trolls saying that the information Ive given is info thats already known. He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. That mod who runs the Libby/Abby Subreddit where LK hosted his Q&A and whom he specifically references (and per himself has given her proof of his real identity) seems to be indicating that LK is not who he claims to be. But answer me this. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. No, he didnt kill his own granddaughter. The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. Suspect: Ok, you got me. The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. The warrant, obtained by the Murder Sheet podcast and released to Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of [the girls'] clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing. Robert Lindsay isnt just one guy. Hes a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks. Amazingly, Libby German took a video of a man walking behind her and Abby Williams on the bridge, who is believed to be the killer. They have their own sources. The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. Required fields are marked *. https://www.reddit.com/r/LibbyandAbby/comments/n33koj/gray_hughes_new_information/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf. He had been there that morning too. Keep sleuthing, youre on point to what I see. It was dusty and disheveled. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Director of Atlantas Cold Case Research Institute and Atlanta metro-area CSI, Sheryl McCollum, said she believes the killer likely posed the victims bodies, instead of staging, for a form of gratification. No, they are obviously looking for photos and videos that the killer took as part of this crime. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? How bout taking it to heed, everyone? These are mostly hate sites. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. Also there are rumors that the girl left a note explain her pregnancy in a tree in her backyard. 21:06 GMT 30 Oct 2022 Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else. So he obviously kept a copy of that for himself. Theres no woman among them. The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. Via LE Source A, we learned that LE has only recently started to believe that BG (Mr. X) is also responsible for the Evansdale Murders. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and weve even filled in a lot of the blanks. You claim he works at Indiana Packers then say his profession is woodworking. David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. He ran off for s copy for us and sent it to us in the mail. 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. The rest are guardians. Despite a lack of evidence, investigators have not given up hope that they have caught the suspect. In the years before his arrest, Miller had left numerous notes in public places saying the killer of Tinsley would strike again. The girls' bloodied bodies were found about a half mile from the bridge. Now, I have denied knowing something that I actually knew, but that was to protect the integrity of an investigation. One of our team members talked to a detective in Kentucky a couple of years ago who told us about this expunged conviction. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. Its burgundy. Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. Empiricism is a thing. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. And Mr X was involved in a Christian teen club! Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Its not clear how? He detailed other information about the crime scene, and the differences in the girls' apparent injuries. I see you may have particular interest in the Evansdale case due to proximity. Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. After the girls body was found, at the time of her murder, the local police chased other suspects in connection with the case, but nothing stuck. Both investigators were women. Most of these podcasts are silly speculation or talk about POIs who are all ruled out. We do indeed have documents from the case. Drunkard perhaps. Who are you friends with. Ive seen some FB exchanges from BP where like you say, she appears to be defending Mr X or at least in denial that he could be a suspect. I do not know why RRB is? Incidentally, we now have a retired homicide detective working as part of our team. This has helped me a lot. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. Try harder. and that you think he already knew that they would be there.. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. Interesting. The warrant, filed by an FBI agent investigating the murders back in 2017, was to carry out a search on the home of Ronald Logan. Delphi Murders Update April 13, 2021: Stunning Rumors about the Murders and Related Matters Now Officially Proven! Delphi murders: Killer staged bodies and may have taken souvenir, new documents reveal Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby. Delphi eighth-graders Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017 while walking on a local hiking trail. Will be posted by Saturday, March 11th. But we are not naming person. Ive looked this man over and I cant think of anyone less likely to commit this crime. No, LK is the real deal. Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s Dad jeans. I hope someday this horrendous crime will be solved. However, these are all unconfirmed rumors. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? We believe that those reactions were overblown. How about never? Libby and Abby went missing on 13 February 2017 after they set off on a hike along the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. Shout out to anyone else who feels the same. Not only that, but Mr. Xs alibi is that he was in another town from 2:15-3:15 PM on the day of the crime. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Horrible. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. DELPHI New chilling details have emerged involving the Delphi deaths investigation. Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. Were you a member of the private group? Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. Best of all, much of our information is via solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. So, again, my understanding was, FBI agent was visiting family locally; assisted in search as volunteer; when it became apparent that something more serious/sinister could have happened after the girls were not located by dark, the FBI was requested by local pd and the locally visiting FBI agent facilitated the request. Eerie photos capture teens' death march 'Down the hill' - news Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Because that is a deer kit around his waist. We believe this because this is what we were told. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. Was present when the Evansdale Murders occurred. Allen's wife confirmed to police that he owns a blue Carhartt jacket, the document said. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. Im a real nice guy, I treat my commenters well, and Im basically this mild-mannered, unassuming, intellectual, professor type. Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up. FSG knew everyone in town. The family knew something was wrong. Too fucking bad. However, this early searching meant that he could use his lost my keys excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were found because he could say the next day that he lost them during the previous evenings search. Theres no evidence that Tony Kline has ever been a suspect or has ever been interviewed by the police. They all go off and do their own work. Blood, Sex Staging, Fiber Evidence: Chilling New Details in Murder of Phallic objects, specifically a log and a doll, placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of the girls to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. The only reason his wife would be coming to the site to retrieve his keys is if he lost his keys and she was coming to deliver a spare set. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! I just donated via PayPal. Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. "When asked about the unspent bullet, [Allen] did not have an explanation of why the bullet was found between" the girls' bodies, the probable cause affidavit said. There is a rumor that LE has a partial DNA sample from an unknown male from one of the girls. Much more on that below. Anyway, even if there was PIV sex, the victim would have died soon after the sex and the tiniest speck of a fetus, the size of a pencil dot on a sheet of paper, along with it. A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . It has those wooden, beaded seat covers. And I appear quite harmless, too. He is said to have admitted talking to Libby German using a fake Instagram profile called Anthony_shots. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Of course they would look for that. Do we know who this is and why he'd have photos? But Garrett said he doesn't understand how it took so long for an arrest. when you send someone a file, you retain a copy for yourself. KAK and his Dad. I sorta did wonder where he was from 12 to 430ish. Also note that LE are now acting like they think the young catfish did the crime, not the older BG. Instead, their families are holding on to the hope that this is the year their killer is brought to justice. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume hes cleared. Hes connected to a local sex offender in the area (a friend, or family membercousin?). A Murder at Penn State; The case of Dana Bailey. The man who owns the document is not happy with us going public with these docs. But not far. You made a mistake my friend. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. According to the warrant, Logan said he was in Lafayette on the day of the murders, visiting an aquarium. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. Investigators have explained that the details of the crime scene indicate a signature, which can help them identify the killer.